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    Coalition Costings by ACME Corporation

    Chris Bowen posted Wednesday, 18 August 2010

    Providing the Australian people with a legitimate assurance that election policies are fully costed and fully funded is one of the most important tests a political party faces during an election campaign. 

    This is essentially the economic blueprint that underpins the promises that have been made to the Australian people and guides the future economic direction of the new government. 

    Joe Hockey and Andrew Robb promised they would deliver their costings on time, then delayed, promised again, and then delayed again, and are now flat-out refusing to take part in the Budget Honesty process.

    As a result, the Coalition’s budget costings are currently being frantically put together by a mystery company Joe Hockey tells us will be revealed to the public sometime today.

    Yes, that’s right, the document that determines whether the average $1 billion of spending promises the Coalition has made each day during this campaign can be reconciled with the budget position is being put together by ‘who-knows’! 

    Of course, the irony of all this is the Coalition is in breach of the very law they introduced when Peter Costello was in charge of the coffers - the Charter of Budget Honesty Act. 

    Policies costed by Treasury and Finance under the Charter for Budget Honesty don’t just check that the sums add up, they check whether the underlying assumptions behind the polices presented stack up to reality. 

    It is this ‘reality check’ that helps Australian voters know what they are voting for. 

    While I wait with baited breath for the identity of the ‘mystery company’ to be revealed by Joe, for the time being, let’s call it ACME Corporation.

    The Australian people need to know a few things about what ACME Corporation will actually do for Mr Hockey and Mr Robb:

    •  Is ACME Corporation testing the reasonableness of the underlying assumptions used by the Coalition, as    Treasury and Finance would under the Charter of Budget Honesty?

    Or 

    • Is ACME Corporation simply just checking that the Coalition have correctly summed the columns and rows in a spreadsheet? (Understandably, given the mistakes made by Tony Abbott’s economic team earlier in the campaign, this is a service they would be wise to outsource).

    If anything demonstrates the risk Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey pose to the management of Australia’s $1.3 trillion economy, then it is the truly farcical situation of making billions of dollars of unfunded promises, then refusing to get these policies properly costed.  You have to ask – why won’t Mr Hockey & Mr Robb just let the Treasury and Finance professionals do their job?

    This is an Opposition that is not ready to manage the economy, and if you can’t manage Australia’s economy, then you are not fit to be in Government. 

    Labor has been fully complying with the Charter of Budget Honesty and updating the net budget position each day of the campaign. You can see the latest net budget impact statement here. 

     

    Tags: Bowen, budget, Chris, coalition, costings, impact, Net, statement

19 Comments

  • LaborHQ from Canberra , ACT Thursday, 19 August 2010, 18:19

    @justamum2 - yes you are right - Yesterday Andrew Robb made comments to infer that the Coalition never intended on complying with the Charter of Budgetary Honesty. He admitted that the accounting firm had been doing the independent costings of their policies for two months. Quote: ROBB – PRESS CONFERENCE – 18 AUGUST 2010 The Independent firm has “been working on this for two months.... They’ve spent two months going laboriously through our expenditure and our savings programs. This obviously runs contrary to the numerous occasions over the past week when they have said they were forced to use the independent firm because they couldn’t trust the Treasury.

  • zentub from MALDON , Victoria Thursday, 19 August 2010, 16:19

    I have a feeling a coalition govt will take off where the Howard Costello govt left off. If this is the case we may see a return of the very serious fund raising venture of selling Australia as a Nuclear/Toxic waste repository for the rest of the globe. The conception appears to have gone away, no mention of it since the need to lose the last election. If the Coalition get into power I am sure we will see a return to such policies, endangering our land, water and people. Particularly as the sites chosen were all on the global green belt including Hattah lakes district. Don't let this come back to haunt us for generations upon generations. I will stick with tobacco tax anytime...

  • sangerer from Albert Park , Victoria Thursday, 19 August 2010, 14:19

    It seems that there are still some people here commenting on the need for surplus. What nonsense. The post war economy of Japan and Germany ran double digit inflation and massive debt due to war repatriation payments for 20 years. Yet both economies emerged as the strongest manufacturing economies in the world. If you want to talk about the national accounts then please start including Australia's national assets. The natural resources sold for a song and a dance for years and as we recently witnessed by the collaborative efforts of the libs and the mining lobby they want to continue to rape the nation. Lets talk about the sale of Telstra. Howard and Castello sold it for $50 + billion and now we have to pay $50 + billion to rebuild the infrastructure that used to belong to the people of Australia. Well the Abbott is telling us that the NBN will cost $5000 for every woman and child. I want the $5000 that Howard and Castello robbed me off when they sold Telstra without my permission and against industry advice. We told the Howard government that Telstra would be worth 10 times more if we waited and built the optic fibre national backbone. I want my share of the $350 million sale of the G3 spectrum that was supposed to raise $750 + million. We advised the government that it was to early in 1997-8. So what have the Liberals done with the sale of Australia's assets to build their so called surplus. They wasted it on political deals in Tasmania, pork barrelling every electuion since 1997 and in the process ensuring a free hand for government sanctioned anti-trust and anti-competition monopolies to develop in key industry sectors. Ever wondered why the elctricity prices are going to double next year. Ever wondered why an average annual doemstic bill of $600 before privatization will be $3000 + by the end of next year. The economics are simple, the liberals have managed policies that plunder, rape and pillage our national resources and they have privatized Australia's key infrastructure assets without any guarrantees for Third party access, adequate anti-trust and anti competion measures. So lets get real here. Costello even sold the idea that people should by shares in Telstra when everyone in the industry was fully aware that $7 per share in an ancient copper netwrork would never work out in the long run. So here we have people on this blog who are talking Liberal part drivel when the same party has screwed the country over and robed the people blind. But I guess that is ok if it is done with good intentions and that great Abbott, Castello and Howard smile. Well done Liberal Party! In congratulate you on the biggest con-job in history. No one can change your vote, but I am not voting Liberal because I just don't like being lied to and used. I believe in this nation and the values of open and honest government. So I will be voting Labour even though we need to do a lot of work to get the party thinking along the right policy lines.

  • Justamum2 from Sedan , South Australia Thursday, 19 August 2010, 13:19

    I may be mistaken and I apologise if I am wrong. I was flipping through channels and found a section of Joe Hockey and Mr Robb's costing speech. The bit that I heard was that this accounting firm they have used to verify their costings has had their costings for a couple of months to analyse them. Now if that is true then the coalition's decision to use an "independant company" instead of the Charter for Honesty was made a couple of months ago and predates the "leak" from treasury. IF that is true then the coalition must have had no intention to use the Charter for Honesty nor submit their costings on time all along. This is an insult to the Treasury Department and all their muck raking is just political hype and hooplah to cover up the inadequacies that they know they have. As I said, if I am wrong about that part of the speech I apologise but I don't think I am. Can some one have a look and verify it for me and the consequences of that lie.

  • Justamum2 from Sedan , South Australia Thursday, 19 August 2010, 10:19

    I may be mistaken and I apologise if I am wrong. I was flipping through channels and found a section of Joe Hockey and Mr Robb's costing speech. The bit that I heard was that this accounting firm they have used to verify their costings has had their costings for a couple of months to analyse them. Now if that is true then the coalition's decision to use an "independant company" instead of the Charter for Honesty was made a couple of months ago and predates the "leak" from treasury. IF that is true then the coalition must have had no intention to use the Charter for Honesty nor submit their costings on time all along. This is an insult to the Treasury Department and all their muck raking is just political hype and hooplah to cover up the inadequacies that they know they have. As I said, if I am wrong about that part of the speech I apologise but I don't think I am. Can some one have a look and verify it for me and the consequences of that lie.

  • FibroKid1959 from Tweed Heads South , NSW Thursday, 19 August 2010, 01:19

    Julia has been exemplary in answering community questions at the town hall style forums...She knows her numbers and is rarely thrown by left field questioning. She listens intently and answers intelligently and truthfully...Australia has become a cynical place in what would be Labor heartland. The same cynics trying to sound intelligent and making a name for themselves in their 15 mins (secs) of fame should consider if their style of self serving questioning could have some voting effect on someone with even less intelligence...Imagine what Australians would be going through now had a Liberal Govt been at the helm when the Global Recession hit...Wake up kiddies...Liberal mistakes take years to render...Good luck on Saturday night...VOTE LABOR...

  • salamander from McDowall , QLD Wednesday, 18 August 2010, 18:18

    "If anything demonstrates the risk Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey pose to the management of Australia’s $1.3 trillion economy, then it is the truly farcical situation of making billions of dollars of unfunded promises, then refusing to get these policies properly costed. " Any signs of the missing $5 billion dollars funding for the NBN? http://www.itnews.com.au/News/228974,report-where-to-find-the-nbns-missing-billions.aspx

  • robertnstephenson from Hawthorndene , SA Wednesday, 18 August 2010, 15:18

    While I see the ALPs modest costings moving the country closer to a strong economic position I feel the Liberals hold the axe out in front of the offered carrott. The Liberal Party, if elected into government will make this statement

    'The level of debt is greater than reported so none of our promised projects and plans can go ahead.'

    It would not be the first time such a comment has come from the Liberals in their election lfe. Tony Abbott as all but said this every time he even get close to being questioned on the economy, and sadly it seems the media are more concerned with running with Mr Abbotts one line grabs as economic policy rather then actually asking him hard questions. Julia Gillard has been bombareded with questions and answered them evenly, respectfully and in full - there is a disparity and this disparity is making someone who isn't up to the job look better than he really is.

    There are only a few more days until we vote for the government that will take us forward - yes take us forward and not back to the di*****able days of the 1950s. Harsh words I know, but at the moment the Liberal Party of 15 years ago has been taken over by super conservatives who see profit and gain across the sector as a right to the wealthy and something that must be fundede by the poorer in the community:

    What have the Liberals really given us? Some say they had a surplus? True and this surplus played a part in saving the nation.

    But they also sold off Testra's control even though over 70% of Australians didn't want it sold. John Howard changed the media laws which now control our entire media network -- the media is now owned by Liberal supporters - where has the freedom of the press gone? Thank the Liberal Party for that.

    They b,locked all efforts to deal with Climate Change and then blamed the Labor Government -- yes, I see corporate business decided the role of the Liberal Party on that issue

    How about that mining tax... Do you know why the Liberal Party oppse the tax. It is not because of anything beneficial to our country; it is becaise the biggest financial supporters of the Australian Liberal Party are the miners. There exists a conflict of interest here and it shows. Once our resources are depleted then the Liberal Party will agree on getting more for less -- it will be too late for our country. That is a sad truth and again something that will not be reported fairly in this country.

    In the Liberals stint in government they changed the landscape of our country so much that the single small voice of the Australian people was silenced. All Australians are aware of the issue of freedom faced in China, how the government controls the voice of the people -- under close and careful examination you could say the Australian Government is controlled by the Media interests of two of the world wealthiest families and the mega wealth of the mining giants.

    It is often said of the Labor Party 'They are ruled by union interests' - This is true to a degree but at least Labor does not hide from this, they are open about it. Those union interests are nothing compared to how much influence mining companies have over the Liberals.

    Consider this - because of the new mining tax the rivh were going to spend $100 million dollars to tell the Australian people the tax would make them poor.

    There is a reason Abbotts numbers don't add up and it is because they haven't been written down yet and until they are he can walk asway from any promises as soon as he is elected.

  • Mairead from Oatlands , NSW Wednesday, 18 August 2010, 12:18

    Has the Campaign office and Julia Gillard seen Ross Gittins article in this morning's Sydney Morning Herald. (18/8/10) He has praised and suported Labor's economic record over the GFC. If tonight in Brisbane Julia were to make the same points that Ross Gittins makes, quoting the 51 leading economists who agree with Labor's economic ability and with the visiting speaker Spiegle? who can't understand why Australians don't feel good about their Govt stimulus package that saved us from recession and is the envy of the whole developed world, I think she'd sway some wavering voters. And as for the Coalitions harping on about 'waste'. What about the 'waste' that would have eventuated had we not had the stimulus -- productivity, jobs, homes, people's lives. Finally, my question for Tony Abbott tonight. If he wins and pursues his inhumane and cruel plan to 'turn back the boats', will he take responsibility for any deaths of the asylum seekers who drown (as happened with the SIEV X) as a result of his lack of compassion and disregard of our national and internationsal obligations.

  • desertflower from RESERVOIR , VIC Wednesday, 18 August 2010, 12:18

    Lets now look at the DEBT issue----you latch onto the surplus, because you couldn't possibly get us out of Debt for twenty odd years, even if you tried. But with the surplus, there may be a chance, if you weren't the ALP. Here is a quote from Peter Costello today. This article is mainly about Mark Latham but he is quite candid about Julia Gillard too:--------> In an interview with Oakes on Sunday, Gillard stated "voting for me is voting for … a budget in surplus". She claimed over and again that Abbott would cut the surplus. Never once did Oakes ask her which particular surplus she was imagining. This Labor government has never delivered a surplus. Abbott's task will not be to cut a surplus, but to cut the deficit - forecast by Treasury to be $40 billion this year. But if Gillard can get away with saying this over and over she will. Some people might even think it is true. If no one pulls her up on it maybe even Gillard will start to think it true. It is a long time since we have had someone leading a government as weak on economic policy as Gillard. http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/dont-blame-latham-for-highlighting-home-truths-20100817-128av.html

  • desertflower from RESERVOIR , VIC Wednesday, 18 August 2010, 11:18

    Sangerer is right, not that I agree with everything he says. But the approach you are taking is one of "DECEPTION". This is straight out of the Neocon hand book. Politics has been following the philosophy of Leo Strauss since the Neocon project got underway, you might follow the Saul Alinsky progresssive variant, but it is the same thing. The policy is to divide the public into an Elite and the mob. Then you speak down to the mob, saying any old thing whilst giving a nod and a wink to the Elite, that you don't really mean any of it. There is so much contempt for the ordinary public in this approach and this time round even the Elite know you have lost your way. Then there is the cynical ploy of putting Julia Gillard in as leader. You knew this would garner good press because the media progressives, are pushing the ALP barrow because they can't bear to see the "emblamtic" first Female PM fail.

  • desertflower from RESERVOIR , VIC Wednesday, 18 August 2010, 11:18

    I'm concerned that the ALP has found it very difficult in power and particularly throughout this election,to be truthful and trustworthy. Lets look at, this issue about the Charter of Budget Honesty Act, introduced by Peter Costello, for example. At the last election, 2007, the ALP got its costings in 5 hours before the election! Sneaking the policies in on a Friday night, just before the Election, obviously leaves no time for them to be checked. Wayne Swan has been fulminating and over-exaggerating the ALP Record. The conga line of ALP Ministers, we see on our TV screens each night, look like a pack of jackals or vultures baying for the blood of the Liberals, whilst you ply your trade of "Deception". If I were on the Tony Abbott team, I would no more trust you with the costings, than I would buy a car from Wayne Swan. The Liberals have done the honourable thing, getting their policies cos-ted by an independent umpire. That is at least more honest than you getting the policies in too late in 2007. All of this without mentioning that, either you or treasury leaked a costing opinion on the Coalition broadband estimates for which the Australian Federal Police had to be called.

  • sangerer from Albert Park , Victoria Wednesday, 18 August 2010, 11:18

    There is simply too much time spent on this nitpicking nonsense. Who cares about the liberals. The issue is that Labour has been running scared of the Abbott mantra of waste, boats and whatever else it is. Instead of finding an answer to counter this simple misleading message, Labour has been trying to discredit the message. This is the silliest thing I have ever seen. The only people who try to discredit anything are those that think that the claim has any credibility. In short, Labour got sucked into defending something that is only now being explained properly whilst not bothering to come up with serious nation building policy. ...... What a joke! How to let the other party dictate the campaign. I mean what is the real issue, "disunity, lack of policy credibility, called the election to soon, the Rudd issue"..... What the hell is the reason for this scrappy and unfocused campaign? Have a read of the article “Australia pushes forward with renewable energy as political parties battle for power” on http://www.newenergyworldnetwork.com/cleantech-features . This is where 72% of the voters are and Labour is still nitpicking about the Abbott. Get over him and start setting the policy agenda. Albeit it is “toooooo” late now. The Abbott “NO” campaign has done its job and he might just slide in on a campaign that promises a recession, more asset sales and privatization to the lowest bidder because Labour fell over and got side tracked by the blunt and simple liberal slogans. What a way to go guys! We suggested that labour strategists build a guilt campaign against the Abbott and in turn the Libs pulled one on the whole party. I got to givem it to the Liberal strategist. Hats of for dictating the tone as well as the mood! No one in Labour seems to get it. ---> The Abbott does not care whether their promises are funded or not. In fact it will side track Labour even more if nothing added up and the job was done by Abbott's family accountant. Why, because Labour will spend days on it and Abbott will simply tell us that without access to the real treasury numbers no one can be accurate. ----> It is an irrelevant side show to the main event. Who cares about the next debate in a town hall or on a midden? No one wants to hear the repetitive scipted nonsense anymore because everyone is after substance. The truth is Labour has spent this entire campaign on irrelevant side shows and small scale money drops to buy a few votes here and there instead of building a coherant vision. Yep, I can see what labour is trying to do. But I am not the one you need to convince. So if I can't see the Vision from the confused messy message Labour has delivered so far, then how will others fare. This is just so disappointing! ----->Who cares about the next debate in a town hall or on a midden? -----> I want to see a law that sets a fixed amount per GDP on all infrastructure expenditure such as the social infrastructure of Health & Age care, Child Care, Education. I want to see a law that sets a fixed percentage of GDP for physical infrastructure such as roads, transport, electricity, communications, gas, water, ports etc and I want to see a fixed amount for environmental and community expenditure. I want to see these amounts fixed so that no election and no party can muck around with the numbers. I want this enshrined in law. Maybe if this is done we will finally get some good policy and some good policy discussions. I am just so over the scripted repetitive meaningless drivel. Sorry about the rant..... but this campaign just ain't working for me.

  • LaborHQ from Canberra , ACT Wednesday, 18 August 2010, 10:18

    Thanks for the comments everyone - check out today's press release on Tony Abbott's mistake on the 7.30 report last night - yet another economic blunder! http://alp.org.au/federal-government/news/tony-abbott-s-billion-dollar-blunder/

  • Richard108 from Rosebud , Vic Wednesday, 18 August 2010, 10:18

    Mr Abbott should be ranamed "Mr Negative", as that name suggests the style of his insights for many a year. All Labour's proposals in parlament seem to be to have received only ONE "gong" from the Liberals...a "NO" as well as well as, "that is a bad......." The real challenge of Labour now seems to be, "how can Labour ever get the opposition to mutually support the growth and advancement Australian People"? I think that this might be possible if Mr Negative is deposed sooner rather than later.... Liberal's costing has probably been delayed so that their "savings" appears to LOOK better than the Labour "savings"....as possible clincher for some voters.

  • ejholden from on the Warrego , Qld Wednesday, 18 August 2010, 09:18

    Apologies for the repetition ..... Must remember not to refresh the screen.

  • ejholden from on the Warrego , Qld Wednesday, 18 August 2010, 09:18

    "why won’t Mr Hockey & Mr Robb just let the Treasury and Finance professionals do their job?" Probably because they know that the Australian economy under the Liberal Party will just be a game of Abbott Hockey ..... powered by rushes of air ......

  • ejholden from on the Warrego , Qld Wednesday, 18 August 2010, 09:18

    "why won’t Mr Hockey & Mr Robb just let the Treasury and Finance professionals do their job?" Probably because they know that the Australian economy under the Liberal Party will just be a game of Abbott Hockey ..... powered by rushes of air ......

  • ejholden from on the Warrego , Qld Wednesday, 18 August 2010, 09:18

    "why won’t Mr Hockey & Mr Robb just let the Treasury and Finance professionals do their job?" Probably because they know that the Australian economy under the Liberal Party will just be a game of Abbott Hockey ..... powered by rushes of air ......